# Zoom Transcripts Evidence Extract Prepared 2026-08-28. 11 unique meetings, Nov 2025 through Aug 2026. Full transcript files in same folder. This file contains only verbatim excerpts with provenance. ## Overview: Key findings across all 11 meetings - George Goldsmith stated on 2026-07-16 that the work "will need to be an asset owned by Boundless" and that otherwise "it's a nice art project, right?" `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-asset-owned-by-boundless]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-otherwise-nice-art-project]` - In the same meeting George proposed "a combination of equity and royalty back," said "I think we need to get lawyers in," and used Suvi's "10 hours a week" consulting-fee arrangement as the comparison for Eyal's role. `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-equity-plus-royalty-lawyers]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-suvi-10-hours-consulting-fee-benchmark]` - Eyal stated across three separate meetings that the underlying work predates Boundless: "I spent two years to really figure out the music, how it drives real-time responsive environments" (2025-11-12), "For two years, I developed what I call hyperreactive. It's a software I wrote on top of Unreal Engine" (2026-06-26), and "I've worked for two and a half years and created this real-time development on Unreal Engine" (2026-07-16). `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-eyal-two-years-music-real-time]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-eyal-two-years-unreal-hyperreactive]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-eyal-two-and-a-half-years-unreal-real-time]` - On 2026-08-06 the team confirmed Eyal's web build was complete: Allan said "Yeah. So the web, that's already done." and Bob said "So that's fully integrated." Eyal reported integrating Bob's GitHub code with the Muse, a development wizard, and a Muse simulation mode. `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-team-confirms-eyal-web-demo-fully-integrated]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-eyal-integrated-bobs-code-muse-works]` - On 2026-08-13, with Eyal absent, George asked "Could we have a conversation about that for a couple minutes, Allan, without AL and then use that way to inform AL?", concluded "Decision taken. My job is to communicate it.", and said "I need to prepare him because he's really attached to what he's done." `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-conversation-without-al-then-inform-al]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-decision-taken-my-job-to-communicate]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-need-to-prepare-him-attached-to-what-hes-done]` - Two separate launch dates were stated by George: "a simultaneous launch of all three in early September" (2026-05-18) and "to launch on World Mental Health Day" which he identified as "October 10th" (2026-07-16). `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-simultaneous-launch-early-september]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-oct-10-launch-world-mental-health-day]` - The Otter recap for the 2026-06-26 Ibiza meeting attributes Eyal's own biography and his Forces / Atmospheres / States trilogy to George Goldsmith, because Otter's speaker labels assign Eyal's speech to George. `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-eyal-present-mislabeled-as-george]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-recap-attributes-eyal-work-to-george]` ## Chronological timeline additions (for master evidence timeline) - 2025-11-12 — Eyal presents empathic art to George Goldsmith and Bob Dougherty and states he spent two years figuring out how music drives real-time responsive environments; George raises using Unreal Engine for the feedback loop. — `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-eyal-two-years-music-real-time]` - 2025-12-16 — Eyal names the emotional interpreter function as "the IP … what's unique at Boundless"; Allan describes the app's role in visualizing biometric data. — `[TRANSCRIPT-20251216-eyal-this-is-the-ip-unique-at-boundless]` - 2026-01-06 (long call) — Eyal reports exporting FORCES at 6,480 resolution for the Disruptive Gallery, London; George states "we're very much in agreement that the destination is installations" and cites Eyal's laugh project as inspiration for the app concept. — `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-george-destination-is-installations]` - 2026-01-06 (short call) — Scheduling nudge only; George asks to move the meeting back 30 minutes. — Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-1-25.txt - 2026-01-13 — George tells Eyal "You're part of the team in the way I feel"; Allan tells him "you're in some ways the paintbrush"; Jacob Birk introduced as software developer working with George and Bob "for many, many years." — `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-youre-part-of-the-team]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-allan-you-are-the-paintbrush]` - 2026-01-27 — Meeting held without Eyal; Muse selected as the data source, Jakob has "a very crude skeleton of an app pulling Muse data," prototype targeted "probably March," George says "I think we'll wait for et al to emerge a little bit and work with him." — `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-george-wait-for-et-al-to-emerge]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-jakob-crude-skeleton-app-pulling-muse-data]` - 2026-05-18 — George sets "a simultaneous launch of all three in early September," commits TestFlight access and shipping a Muse to Eyal; Allan says "it's nice to hear someone get it, you know, and I think that you do." — `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-simultaneous-launch-early-september]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-testflight-and-ship-muse-to-eyal]` - 2026-06-26 — Ibiza foundation meeting; Eyal presents his ten years of proprietary software, two years of Unreal work and the Forces/Atmospheres/States arc, all of which the Otter recap attributes to George. — `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-recap-attributes-eyal-work-to-george]` - 2026-07-16 — George states the work must become "an asset owned by Boundless," proposes equity plus royalty with lawyers, offers an "artistic director" role benchmarked to Suvi's 10 hours a week, and tells Eyal "put it on paper, but know that I won't look at it until I'm back." — `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-asset-owned-by-boundless]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-put-it-on-paper-wont-look-until-back]` - 2026-08-06 — Team confirms Eyal's web app is "already done" and "fully integrated"; George names Eyal's work as one of four work streams; George and Allan take decision-making as "a unitary voice." — `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-team-confirms-eyal-web-demo-fully-integrated]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-george-allan-unitary-decision-voice]` - 2026-08-13 — With Eyal on a boat in Mallorca, George holds the art-scope conversation "without AL," records "Decision taken. My job is to communicate it.", and Bob confirms the C module and Eyal's web app already line up: "it's ready to go." — `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-decision-taken-my-job-to-communicate]` `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-bob-c-module-ready-to-go-with-eyals-web-app]` ## Cross-meeting patterns (numbered, each grounded in cited quotes) 1. Eyal repeatedly states, in the team's presence, that the technology and aesthetics predate Boundless - Evidence: `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-eyal-two-years-music-real-time]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20251216-eyal-so-many-years-unreal]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-eyal-ten-years-proprietary-software]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-eyal-two-years-unreal-hyperreactive]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-eyal-two-and-a-half-years-unreal-real-time]` - Quotes: > So it took me 10 years. I sold my last company. 10 years. And then, but through those 10 years, I literally created my own proprietary software. I knew the exact aesthetics and what I want to do. And then so I started when I was 40 to be full-time artist, today I'm 55. — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Eyal], 45:08, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > Also for the future sanctuaries, I've worked for two and a half years and created this real-time development on Unreal Engine, you that it can be easily integrated to Muse and what, you know, cameras. — Eyal Gever, 18:57, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt 2. The team affirms Eyal's delivery and readiness at each stage - Evidence: `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-eyal-documented-github-ready-to-integrate]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-work-is-beautiful]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-team-confirms-eyal-web-demo-fully-integrated]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-eyal-integrated-bobs-code-muse-works]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-bob-c-module-ready-to-go-with-eyals-web-app]` - Quotes: > Yeah. So the web, that's already done. — Allan Malievsky, 2:24, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > Yeah, that's that's true. The C module outputs the same numbers that his web app is getting from the web Bluetooth. Muse. So, I mean, there's a little bit of code to wire to connect the plumbing, but it's ready to go. — Bob Dougherty, 12:38, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt 3. George frames ownership of the work as a condition for it having value - Evidence: `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-asset-owned-by-boundless]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-otherwise-nice-art-project]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-equity-plus-royalty-lawyers]` - Quotes: > And so, look, I think that if we're going to create value inside of Boundless, this will need to be an asset owned by Boundless. So, that would lead to there is a there, there's IP. There's IP on that, there's copyright on the music, there's IP on the chaos engine. So we'd have things that become an investable entity. Otherwise, it's a nice art project, right? — George Goldsmith, 14:32, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt 4. Compensation is framed as equity, royalty and an hours-based consulting fee, benchmarked to another contributor - Evidence: `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-suvi-10-hours-consulting-fee-benchmark]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-artistic-director-role-offer]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-eyal-advisor-or-creative-director-question]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-eyal-upfront-plus-monthly-license-ask]` - Quotes: > You know, so Suvi, for example, we're talking to her right now, and we've agreed that she'll spend about 10 hours a week with us … And for that, there's a consulting fee. And then, if there's music produced that we will have as part of the collective, there will be a licensing or you know, royalty stream, right? — George Goldsmith, 16:47, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > We can create a portion of a role where you are kind of artistic director, for example. And, that is a role that gives you time and space in your life. So, Dom is creative director and kind of leading all the kind of music division. — George Goldsmith, 20:01, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt 5. Substantive decisions about the art are taken in meetings Eyal is not in - Evidence: `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-george-wait-for-et-al-to-emerge]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-eyal-absent-boat-mallorca]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-conversation-without-al-then-inform-al]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-decision-taken-my-job-to-communicate]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-simplified-artwork-drops-mood-journey]` - Quotes: > Could we have a conversation about that for a couple minutes, Allan, without AL and then use that way to inform AL? I'm talking to him tomorrow, it appears. — George Goldsmith, 24:40, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > So I guess that's mostly it. I think we'll wait for et al to emerge a little bit and work with him. — George Goldsmith, 38:33, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt 6. Otter's speaker attribution transfers Eyal's words to George in the June 2026 Ibiza file, and the recap repeats that attribution - Evidence: `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-eyal-present-mislabeled-as-george]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-recap-attributes-eyal-work-to-george]` - Quotes: > So, a little bit about myself. Eyal, Israeli. — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Eyal], 43:39, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > George presented recent work: Forces, a series using fluid and particle simulations to render physical expressions of emotion; Atmospheres, an upcoming color-focused series; and a planned States project intended as a live, responsive, two-way artwork that can sense and influence viewer states. — Source: Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Recap-10.txt 7. Timelines are set by Boundless and then made dependent on Eyal's delivery - Evidence: `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-simultaneous-launch-early-september]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-oct-10-launch-world-mental-health-day]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-apple-demo-two-and-a-half-weeks-goal]`, `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-timeline-depends-on-ail]` - Quotes: > So what we're aiming to do is to try to have a simultaneous launch of all three in early September. — George Goldsmith, 47:12, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > It'll depend on AIL. — Unidentified Speaker, 10:04, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt ## Full per-meeting extraction ## Meeting 1 — 2025-11-12 — VTC: Boundless Studios & Eyal Gever **Attendees named in transcript:** Eyal Gever, George Goldsmith, Bob Dougherty, Rosie Dent, Unidentified Speaker **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 1:02:08 ### What the Otter recap said (verbatim key sentences from the Recap file) > Eyal Gever discussed the concept of empathic art, emphasizing its role as an immersive experience that encourages deep audience engagement. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-1-28.txt > George Goldsmith introduced the idea of tiered measurement packages to enhance data collection in studio environments, mentioning potential collaborations with Elle Acoustics and Apple. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-1-28.txt > The group concluded by discussing the Boundless app's goal of transforming measurement into meaningful experiences, advocating for a feedback loop between user data and artistic engagement, and the exploration of biofeedback to enhance user interaction. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-1-28.txt ### Key verbatim quotes from the Transcript > As an artist, the journey that I've kind of introduced to you guys the empathic art, to me, it was, is sort of creating an experience that is an artistic experience. It's in a way an encounter with artwork, which is traditional. However, it's a new thing. It's a fundamentally new thing. — Eyal Gever, 2:30, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-1-5.txt > And it's interesting, because as you talk, and I think you just opened this up for everybody, but it's the empathic art. So there's another piece to this, which is that there is a piece of work and a body of work. — George Goldsmith, 9:16, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-1-5.txt > But one of the things I was really curious about, is there a, for lack of a better term, a bronze, silver, or gold package of measurement with different price points that we could say, you know, the high-risk room, we could actually do research in the HiRIST room. — George Goldsmith, 12:55, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-1-5.txt > So Bob, I think we spent time with Eyal in Ibiza. You joined us at the very end of that. One of the ideas that came out was this idea of a lab. — George Goldsmith, 12:55, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-1-5.txt > But the sensors, like I just last night ordered to test it, millimeter radar module, 60 gigahertz radar that claims and has algorithms built in to measure for respiration and heart rate from up to 1.5 meters distant for a single human is what it's been validated on. $20 or $30 that module on Amazon. — Bob Dougherty, 15:07, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-1-5.txt > And if in fact, it is provided, is that something we could with something like the Unreal Engine and bringing in the outdoor experience, but then having the Unreal Engine do the work of the feedback of the measurement, which then becomes the loop. — George Goldsmith, 56:33, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-1-5.txt > And I mean, that's what AL's whole thing is, right? That's, that's, they, but he's got the advantage of just unreal, right? Where you control, they have all these knobs you can turn, right? Again, there's still tremendous artistic talent skill needed there to make it compelling. — Bob Dougherty, 57:53, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-1-5.txt > I think after, at least my opinion, right, after 19 years being a high-tech entrepreneur, but also an artist, you have to really know where you want to go first. — Eyal Gever, 1:02:08, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-1-5.txt > And this discussion of how, like, I spent two years to really figure out the music, how it drives real-time responsive environments, right? And so now emotions, how the emotions shape, the data of the emotions shape the experience and how the experience impact the user that impacts back and it's kind of creating a loop. — Eyal Gever, 1:02:08, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-1-5.txt ### Claim IDs indexed from this meeting - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-eyal-empathic-art-fundamentally-new]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-george-empathic-art-body-of-work]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-george-bronze-silver-gold-measurement-packages]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-george-ibiza-time-with-eyal-lab-idea]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-bob-radar-module-20-30-dollars]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-george-unreal-engine-feedback-loop]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-bob-als-whole-thing-advantage-of-unreal]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-eyal-19-years-high-tech-entrepreneur]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251112-eyal-two-years-music-real-time]` ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > George Goldsmith will explore the possibility of creating a bronze, silver, and gold package of measurement with different price points for data collection. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-1-28.txt > Bob Dougherty will test the millimeter radar module for measuring respiration and heart rate from a distance. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-1-28.txt > Eyal Gever will write a more concise email summarizing the importance of aesthetics and emotional state tracking in the art experience. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-1-28.txt > George Goldsmith will investigate the potential of using Unreal Engine to create an interactive component that enhances the experience based on user data. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-1-28.txt ### Transcription notes Eyal appears in dialogue as "AL"; "Elle Acoustics" appears for L-Acoustics; "HiRIST"/"HIRIS" appear for the same room; "Ola Overman" appears for Ola Obermann. --- ## Meeting 2 — 2025-12-16 — VTC: George, Allan, Eyal **Attendees named in transcript:** George Goldsmith, Allan Malievsky, "Eyal's iPhone" [Eyal Gever], Rosie Dent, Unidentified Speaker **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 51:55 ### What the Otter recap said (verbatim key sentences from the Recap file) > He expressed a desire to collaborate on the album cover and integrate participant experiences using high-resolution video and Unreal technology. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Recap-26.txt > Allan introduced the idea of an app that visualizes health metrics, emphasizing the need for artistic data representation and a feature that correlates emotional states with physiological data. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Recap-26.txt > Eyal proposed that their app serve as an emotional guide, collecting user interaction data to improve functionality. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Recap-26.txt ### Key verbatim quotes from the Transcript > But I think that there might be ways to bring in the video and then change the scenes with kind of work you've done in Unreal, so that there's kind of a biometric feedback process. — George Goldsmith, 6:48, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt > And then we're just raising this question of how to take this kind of high-resolution video from nature, and then bring that into this kind of feedback process with Unreal, so that we have this world in which we exist, right, together. — George Goldsmith, 7:18, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt > Being over, what, 30 now in this kind of virtual world, technology world, you know, I think I told you I had the in 1996, I was on the cover of the Read Herring magazine. I remember. And they had the they gave me is the LSD of the internet, because I was one of the founding people behind VRML, which was Virtual Reality Modeling Language. — Eyal's iPhone, 10:11, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt > But broad strokes, you know, obviously, this is how people at home would access the music, would access, you know, okay, here, so you're going to connect. Your devices to this, and you're going to start modeling, visualizing, et cetera, whatever matters to you. — Allan Malievsky, 22:39, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt > And so what kind of sets us apart is, you know, being able to view these as not just numbers, not just graphs, whatever, but it's sort of like almost like a gut feeling, right? Like the gist. — Allan Malievsky, 22:39, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt > So perhaps Boundless is kind of a interpreter or a guider, interpreter, hand holder, whisperer, if you will about my emotional journey through an experience and make sense for me. — Eyal's iPhone, 33:31, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt > It's the emotional mirror, if you will, to my experience, me as a user. But it's not just a mirror, it's also a decipher, somebody who deciphered that for me and explains that to me knowing me, who I am, what I am, what's my, you know, all of those above. — Eyal's iPhone, 36:24, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt > And this is sort of the IP. This is sort of what's unique at Boundless, right? They have those wisdom eyes to let you know how you feel, why you feel, what you should take care of, what you should think, whatever, you know, I'm just throwing it very quickly I love it. — Eyal's iPhone, 37:27, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt > And I mean, I know that the DNA of this thing is making people or elevate people or relaxing people through a 30 minute session. And we know how to do that through real time biofeedback experience that also changes the music and the art while you experience it. — Eyal's iPhone, 41:06, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt > You know, it took me so many years to do environments in Unreal, right? — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Eyal, continuing his own turn at 48:42 and 48:52], 48:46, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt > or engineers, so many those micro elements, etc. And here I'm just typing this freaking message and I have the most beautiful waterfall. — Eyal's iPhone, 48:52, VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Transcript-27.txt ### Claim IDs indexed from this meeting - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251216-george-work-youve-done-in-unreal]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251216-eyal-1996-vrml-red-herring]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251216-allan-app-visualizes-connected-devices]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251216-eyal-boundless-as-interpreter]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251216-eyal-emotional-mirror-and-decipher]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251216-eyal-this-is-the-ip-unique-at-boundless]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251216-eyal-real-time-biofeedback-changes-music-and-art]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20251216-eyal-so-many-years-unreal]` ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > George Goldsmith will send the music links for side A and side B of the vinyl album to Eyal. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Recap-26.txt > George Goldsmith will send the binaural version of the music to Eyal via WeTransfer or SwissTransfer. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Recap-26.txt > Eyal will send George Goldsmith links to two interactive video examples. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Eyal-Recap-26.txt ### Transcription notes Eyal appears in speaker labels as "Eyal's iPhone" and in dialogue as "Al"; Allan appears in dialogue as "Ellen"; "Read Herring" appears for Red Herring; "Elle Acoustics"/"L-acoustics" appear for L-Acoustics; "Atlanticus"/"Atlantic Studios" appear in the same discussion. The block at 48:46 is labeled "George Goldsmith" but sits inside Eyal's continuous turn (48:42 and 48:52 are both labeled "Eyal's iPhone"). --- ## Meeting 3 — 2026-01-06 — Eyal x George x Allan (main call) **Attendees named in transcript:** Eyal Gever, George Goldsmith, Allan Malievsky, Unidentified Speaker **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 35:23 ### What the Otter recap said (verbatim key sentences from the Recap file) > Eyal Gever announced his upcoming exhibition titled "Forces" at the Disruptive Gallery in London, which is recognized for its focus on digital arts and a luxurious viewing experience for collectors. — Source: Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Recap-22.txt > George Goldsmith emphasized the importance of exploring collaborative opportunities after Eyal Gever's gallery project. He suggested developing a mobile app or VR experience that would facilitate a citizen science project, allowing for large-scale experimentation and measurement. — Source: Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Recap-22.txt > Allan suggested reimagining the app as an artistic platform for users to create visual representations of their emotional experiences through music, emphasizing the need for a unique user experience that evolves over time. — Source: Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Recap-22.txt ### Key verbatim quotes from the Transcript > So the exhibition is Forces, which I showed you guys some of the work when I was there at your place in Ibiza. — Eyal Gever, 1:02, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > No. So for example, one of the display we have is like three connected OLED screens. So it's really like three times 4K. So it's like 6,480 resolution. — Eyal Gever, 6:07, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > Every artwork is like 600 gigabytes to a terabyte. So I'll fly with different dedicated disks, you know, with all the artworks. — Eyal Gever, 7:43, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > Yes, mobile or possibly in a VR headset as the personal instantiation. We are talking right now with a group called Polygon Productions in the UK about doing a pop-up with them, which would be a shared experience, and then how we might include measurement in that. — George Goldsmith, 10:51, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > So I think that for us, the thing that we've both come to independently, you and us is this, the need for recursive feedback. — George Goldsmith, 10:51, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > So our goal right now on Ibiza, there is a conference, the International Music Summit on April 22nd. And I think we are going to be presenting there with Dominic. And we're talking to Elle Acoustics doing an installation there with us as well. — George Goldsmith, 13:46, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > And we'll produce probably 1,000 to 2,000. We'll probably do 1,000 for the U.S. Market and the 1,000 European market, and we'll manufacture them in two different plants because of tariffs. — George Goldsmith, 16:06, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > And they're putting on a two day event there again this summer in September. And we will tentatively be doing a concert with them there in full surround and immersive. And that is, I think, September 18th or 19th. — George Goldsmith, 24:30, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > And the development R&D would be fairly expensive, like anything you execute. Eventually, you know, to bring something market requires testing and quality assurance and focus groups and so need to really see what's the sort of investment slash upside opportunity on the VR side. — Eyal Gever, 28:03, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > I just wanted to say we're very much in agreement that the destination is installations. The question is how do we start testing some of the technology and thinking about building an initial understanding of people's use habits, are they going to be open to measurement, et cetera. — George Goldsmith, 29:20, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > We thought that what could be interesting, we were inspired in part by your laugh project. So one thought that we had was, could we create a composite marker through the various measurements, and then to represent the composite marker visually. — George Goldsmith, 29:20, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > So I think what we've done, you know, how we've shifted internally is to think of it as the app as itself, kind of app as artwork. — Allan Malievsky, 30:55, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt > And you essentially create a gallery over time that you're you know painting by engaging with your kind of emotional state right — Allan Malievsky, 30:55, Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Transcript-23.txt ### Claim IDs indexed from this meeting - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-eyal-forces-disruptive-gallery-london]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-eyal-6480-resolution-oled]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-eyal-600gb-to-terabyte-per-artwork]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-george-polygon-productions-popup]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-george-recursive-feedback-arrived-independently]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-george-ims-ibiza-april-22]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-george-vinyl-1000-us-1000-eu]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-george-london-concert-september-18-19]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-eyal-rnd-cost-and-qa-caution]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-george-destination-is-installations]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-george-inspired-by-your-laugh-project]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260106-allan-app-as-artwork]` ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > Eyal Gever will finalize the export of all artworks in super high resolution for the exhibition in London. — Source: Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Recap-22.txt > George Goldsmith will ensure that the album cover and interior design are completed by the middle of February. — Source: Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Recap-22.txt > Eyal Gever will attempt to create sketches for the album cover art and share ideas after his exhibition. — Source: Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Recap-22.txt ### Transcription notes "Elle Acoustics" and "L acoustics" both appear for L-Acoustics; "ECM" is transcribed once as "electronic music"; "crystal par crystals" appears for a London venue name. --- ## Meeting 4 — 2026-01-06 — Eyal x George x Allan (short call) **Attendees named in transcript:** George Goldsmith, Allan Malievsky, Unidentified Speaker **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 1:58 Scheduling nudge only — no substantive content. ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > George Goldsmith will send a note to the relevant person to request moving the meeting back by 30 minutes. — Source: Eyal-x-George-x-Allan-Recap-1-24.txt --- ## Meeting 5 — 2026-01-13 — VTC: George, Allan, Bob, Eyal **Attendees named in transcript:** George Goldsmith, Eyal Gever, Bob Dougherty, Jacob Birk, Allan Malievsky, Unidentified Speaker **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 57:21 ### What the Otter recap said (verbatim key sentences from the Recap file) > George Goldsmith highlighted the upcoming listening session and hackathon at the Marshall School of Business, emphasizing the importance of partnerships with companies like Apple and Radio France to promote well-being through immersive sound experiences. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-1-18.txt > Eyal Gever and Allan Malievsky supported the idea of empathic art installations, while George proposed a measurement companion app to track emotional responses. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-1-18.txt > Jacob Birk introduced himself as a technical member from San Francisco, while Eyal Gever also identified as a technical expert. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-1-18.txt ### Key verbatim quotes from the Transcript > Yeah, happy new year. I have been deep in a bunch of things and awaiting a missive from our friends at ARPA-H. — George Goldsmith, 0:06, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > No, I don't think we have. No, I'm Jacob. I'm based in San Francisco. I'm technical. Good to meet you. — Jacob Birk, 1:08, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > More of the software development side and those kind of things. I've been working with George and Bob for quite some time now. For many, many years and George, since compass. — Jacob Birk, 1:17, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > And we're viewing that we've already have our first promise of revenue. I think it's like $12, but it's better than nothing. — George Goldsmith, 3:07, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > And we'll be teaching a course on the 11th for second year MBA students at Marshall School of Business. And they will be basically doing a hackathon on what could boundless become, including looking at business model and maybe developing ideas around apps and so forth. — George Goldsmith, 3:58, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > And sorry, I don't mean to take advantage of this, but you're invited to all these things ever. You're part of the team in the way I feel. — George Goldsmith, 7:16, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > Okay, the other thing that's happening is we're working with Radio France, exploring a partnership with them to do a special mix and a special distribution rights for the mix and kind of an entrance for Radio France into well-being and sound. — George Goldsmith, 8:29, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > So and also, Kevin Ryan, who's the multi billionaire who is the investors been talking to us about all of those as well. — George Goldsmith, 13:11, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > But I think the reason we have this amazing group on the phone, phone, not me not included, is sort of thinking the future of this, what are we doing that's really distinctive in terms of providing feedback to people in that empathic art fashion? — George Goldsmith, 13:11, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > And I think there's authenticity to it because it's, you know, this is not necessarily, you're not, you don't have direct control over the data, right? You're in some ways the paintbrush rather than the, you know, what's holding it, right? — Allan Malievsky, 18:54, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > George, I almost wonder if it's worth, because I don't think we've abandoned, you know, the idea of kind of the empathic art type physical installation, right? I mean, that was the crux, actually. I mean, we even we looked at the manifesto you sent us, Eyal, when we were thinking about how to position it to Radio France. So I think it really that is still the goal. — Allan Malievsky, 22:41, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > And so imagine that we go into a sound journey, like 40 minutes, or we have 75, we have 90 minutes for the bold. … But imagine a 40 minute experience, where it's, this is going on, you have the emotional Borealis generated by the some metrics that we would choose and discuss among ourselves, and that this could be recorded and shared. — George Goldsmith, 23:21, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > Le Prairie is a place where for only you can go and have a good diet and be on a restricts a great business model, 600 calories a day, 50,000 a week. — George Goldsmith, 23:21, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > And then I don't know if you know about the Muse, the Muse EEG meditation device. — Bob Dougherty, 33:54, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > Oh, okay. So Yeah, I have a whole deck on that. The sphere, I haven't done the full execution yet. What it is, is particular, there are two options. One is flexible 0.9 LED screens that are, and you can create a sphere. Yep. — Eyal Gever, 49:19, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > I think the last thing I'll just mention is there's one other thing that a person I met on the weekend, and we're going to see it, he has created 17 and a half meter spheres with 100 speakers. — George Goldsmith, 54:11, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt > So give me a few more days and then I can I really want to do it. … Two is, yeah, I'd love to be continuing the conversation. Obviously, you know, A, I love the team, you know, and we share a vision and I love the process of experimentation and doing something which is greatness. — Eyal Gever, 51:28, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-1-19.txt ### Claim IDs indexed from this meeting - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-arpa-h-awaiting]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-jacob-birk-intro-software-many-years-with-george-bob]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-first-promise-of-revenue-12-dollars]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-marshall-hackathon-feb-11]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-youre-part-of-the-team]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-radio-france-partnership]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-kevin-ryan-investor]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-empathic-art-fashion-feedback]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-allan-you-are-the-paintbrush]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-allan-eyals-manifesto-used-to-position-radio-france]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-emotional-borealis-40-minute-journey]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-le-prairie-50000-a-week]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-bob-introduces-muse-eeg-device]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-eyal-sphere-deck-two-options]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260113-george-17-5-meter-sphere-100-speakers]` ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > George Goldsmith will reach out to other contacts regarding updates from ARPA-H. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-1-18.txt > George Goldsmith will explore a partnership with Radio France for a special mix and distribution rights. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-1-18.txt > Bob Dougherty and Jacob Birk will start collecting data in HIRIS and LA at the L-Acoustic sites. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-1-18.txt ### Transcription notes Jacob Fandel appears in speaker labels as "Jacob Birk"; Eyal appears in dialogue as "ever", "hey, all" and "Al"; "Elle Acoustics" appears for L-Acoustics; "Le Prairie" appears for Clinique La Prairie; "Ola Obermann" is also rendered "all the Apple"; "Laurent Dupuis"/"Laurent Dupree" appear for the same engineer. --- ## Meeting 6 — 2026-01-27 — VTC: George, Allan, Bob, Eyal **Note on attendance:** Eyal is not in this meeting despite the meeting title. At 38:33 George says "I think we'll wait for et al to emerge a little bit and work with him." **Attendees named in transcript:** George Goldsmith, Bob Dougherty, Allan Malievsky, Unidentified Speaker **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 40:53 ### What the Otter recap said (verbatim key sentences from the Recap file) > George Goldsmith announced the selection of the Muse band for data collection. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-16.txt > George Goldsmith outlined plans for listening sessions in LA and London, and shared details about a partnership with Read France, which involves studio time and streaming opportunities. They aim to prototype their projects by March. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-16.txt > Bob Dougherty discussed the progress of Jakob's app, which is currently a basic version capable of pulling Muse data. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-16.txt ### Key verbatim quotes from the Transcript > So, um, I guess we've definitely decided to go with Muse band as the data source for additional. — George Goldsmith, 8:52, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > The protocol is a little different, but I already have a proof of concept working that that I also share with Jakob. — Bob Dougherty, 10:03, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > So then we can all start looking at it and seeing how is to use, what we can find out from it, what kind of signal could be generated, and how to transform that. — Bob Dougherty, 11:47, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > So the new model is a bit pricey, almost $400. — Bob Dougherty, 12:16, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > So we can start doing more listening sessions, but also with measurements. So I think we want to prototype that probably March or so if we could. And then we had a really good meeting with Read France. — George Goldsmith, 13:22, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > So this setup is about 6,000. But it is just stunning. — George Goldsmith, 22:06, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > So, Bob, tell us what we need to do or kind of where we are on a timeline to be able to have Jakob's app and the Muse generating data and storing data so we can then figure out what to do. — George Goldsmith, 28:21, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > Yeah, I think, last I heard from Jakob, which was with Allan last week, he has a very crude skeleton of an app pulling Muse data. Again, as I said, we have to validate it. There might be some glitches that we have to sort out with the data handling. But it's very close to having a proof of concept tool that we can at least use to collect data, it might not be as beautiful. — Bob Dougherty, 28:39, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > And then I think with I think Sean is going to help take that to the to the website. I think that'll help too, because she'll create some assets that can be reused in the app. — Bob Dougherty, 28:39, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > Yeah. I'm hopeful that, let's say in two weeks, there'll be at least a web app on my end that Jakob and I are developing in parallel. — Bob Dougherty, 36:02, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > So I think we should get one for everyone on the team, right? So each of us should get one so we can participate. — George Goldsmith, 36:52, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > So I guess that's mostly it. I think we'll wait for et al to emerge a little bit and work with him. — George Goldsmith, 38:33, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > He can start playing with it and a device to start collecting data live, but at least having in a few individuals under a few different conditions, he can start seeing what he can create from it. Yeah. — Bob Dougherty, 38:43, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt > Yeah, sure. I mean, we got the first acetate pressings. So, you know, at 45, sent over to George and here I haven't had a chance to listen on my deck, but it looks sounds fantastic. — Allan Malievsky, 24:47, VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Transcript-17.txt ### Claim IDs indexed from this meeting - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-eyal-not-present]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-george-muse-band-selected-as-data-source]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-bob-muse-proof-of-concept-shared-with-jakob]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-bob-new-muse-almost-400-dollars]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-george-prototype-target-march]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-george-read-france-partnership]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-jakob-crude-skeleton-app-pulling-muse-data]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-bob-sean-to-take-app-to-website]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-george-muse-for-everyone-on-the-team]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-george-wait-for-et-al-to-emerge]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260127-allan-first-acetate-pressings-at-45]` ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > Bob Dougherty will discuss the potential purchase of Muse devices with Ariel to secure a deal for the team. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-16.txt > Bob Dougherty will validate the data handling of the Muse app and ensure it is operational for collecting data. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-16.txt > George Goldsmith will coordinate with the team to ensure everyone has a Muse device for participation in upcoming experiments. — Source: VTC_-George-Allan-Bob-Eyal-Recap-16.txt ### Transcription notes Eyal appears in dialogue as "et al"; "Read France" appears for Radio France in both transcript and recap; Jacob Fandel appears as "Jakob"; Sian appears as "Sean"; "Kuya"/"kuya" appear for the new clinic; "Sonic Sphere" is named at 14:54. --- ## Meeting 7 — 2026-05-18 — VTC: Boundless Studios & Eyal Gever **Attendees named in transcript:** George Goldsmith, Allan Malievsky, Eyal Gever, "Eyal's iPhone" [Eyal Gever], Unidentified Speaker **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 59:01 ### What the Otter recap said (verbatim key sentences from the Recap file) > Strategic product discussion about app, EEG visuals, and launches. > • COMPASS psilocybin approval likely by year-end > • 7‑hour music asset to power sessions and B2C product > • 60‑person Ladbroke Hall event; London runs on 8th and 9th > • 2,000 half‑speed 45 RPM vinyl; early September launch target > • Core unresolved: high‑quality generative visual "paintbrush" — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-15.txt > The team confirmed that the Boundless app is now collecting EEG data and identified a primary unresolved issue: how to represent participants' EEG‑driven experiences visually at session end. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-15.txt > He reviewed his exhibition "Forces," explained using physical and fluid simulation to convey emotional topologies, and described plans to encode color and atmospheric palettes inspired by artists like Rodko once emotional-AI integration is available. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-15.txt ### Key verbatim quotes from the Transcript > the American Psychiatric Association annual meeting in San Francisco. I'm seeing a lot of old friends, and the big news is that it looks like the psilocybin from COMPASS will be approved by end of year. — George Goldsmith, 0:32, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > We have seven hours of it. So to support people through the experience of psychedelics as well as for the B2C version. — George Goldsmith, 0:56, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > We had a wonderful 60-person exhibit or experience at Ladbroke Hall in Notting Hill in London. And it was the first time we did that large an event. — George Goldsmith, 6:33, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > The thing that we spent a lot of time on lighting, and then what happened is we had eye masks, and of the 60 people, 55 put on their eye masks immediately. — George Goldsmith, 8:15, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > It sort of is in the direction of your, you know, notion of empathic art manifesto. We're now working on our Entropics manifesto. And the idea of this comes out of work by Robin Carhart-Harris and Carl Friston — George Goldsmith, 9:45, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > Because the other thing that I've been really intrigued with in group experiences, and it's completely based on your insights and some of your work on the Empathic Manifesto, was what if you had a group of people who were in an environment with the sphere? — George Goldsmith, 25:56, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > My next artwork, it's about colors and it's about atmospheres. And there I want to be in conversation with Rodko. — Eyal Gever, 30:01, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > Now, all those are palettes, if you will, and aesthetics that when the integration to emotional AI will be ready, then I'll have the lingo, the visual lingo already of driving different emotions, right? Colors through speed, volume, gravity, etc. — Eyal Gever, 30:01, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > I mean, I don't have, it's nice to, it's nice to hear someone get it, you know, and I think that you do. Good, absolutely. — Allan Malievsky, 36:27, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > I think extending it out to a physical installation, really one day I really do hope to see that you walk into a gallery space, it's a boundless installation, and one of the things you grab before you go on is the muse, and as you're walking through it, you're having aspects of the experience, you're seeing it reflected and it's also the group setting. — Allan Malievsky, 36:27, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > But ultimately what he called it is like, it's a, it's a, Artgen engine with just with significantly more substance, right, you know, an actual quality engine on top of which it hands the kind of paintbrush or, you know, sculpting tool or whatever it is, to the person — Allan Malievsky, 40:19, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > I would never try to pass it off as an AL, you know, as an AL, you know, you know, AL, it's all nothing, you know, it's just not going to cut it. — Allan Malievsky, 40:19, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > But getting to one thing I know is that and this is what I wrote in the manifesto. I said, we're in the age of thinking machines. Therefore, art must feel. — Eyal's iPhone, 43:24, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > So what we're aiming to do is to try to have a simultaneous launch of all three in early September. — George Goldsmith, 47:12, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > For the release in September, you see the vinyl, you see the app, limited edition to 2000 people. — Eyal's iPhone, 49:16, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > If we can't make it, you know, clearly, you know, an AOL piece, you know, this is the AOL engine, then I don't think it's worth rushing out, right? — Allan Malievsky, 50:03, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > But yeah, but it could be a thin, lean, very focused first version that we can do on Unreal, and that would be our chosen platform. … Now, if it's September, I need to find out. It's very short. I mean, just the QA, the testing would be more than September. — Eyal's iPhone, 51:39, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > And we're actually a conversation with Muse to make it a more formal and obvious partnership, which I think would go a long way. Because again, it's like your paintbrush. — Allan Malievsky, 52:54, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > I love the kind of, I think your proposal makes a lot of sense. I think getting you two things. One is access to the app through test flight, just so you have an experience of it. Shipping you a muse. — George Goldsmith, 56:23, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt > Last quick thing, we have another person who's kind of coming into this named Kajter Steffels. … And so I'm spending July and August here in LA. And so incredible artist named Suvi, who's also joining up with us is, she's a cellist amazing cellist. — George Goldsmith, 58:18, VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Transcript-14.txt ### Claim IDs indexed from this meeting - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-compass-psilocybin-approval-end-of-year]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-seven-hours-of-music]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-ladbroke-hall-60-people-55-eye-masks]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-entropics-manifesto-after-eyals-manifesto]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-group-concept-based-on-eyals-empathic-manifesto]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-eyal-atmospheres-rodko-conversation]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-eyal-visual-lingo-ready-for-emotional-ai]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-allan-nice-to-hear-someone-get-it]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-allan-artgen-engine-hands-the-paintbrush]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-allan-would-never-pass-it-off-as-an-al]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-eyal-age-of-thinking-machines-art-must-feel]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-simultaneous-launch-early-september]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-eyal-2000-limited-edition-vinyl-with-app]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-eyal-unreal-thin-first-version-qa-concern]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-allan-muse-partnership-formalizing]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-testflight-and-ship-muse-to-eyal]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260518-george-suvi-and-kajter-joining]` ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > George Goldsmith will provide TestFlight access to the app so key contributors can experience it. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-15.txt > George Goldsmith will ship a Muse device to Eyal (Rosie will coordinate delivery). — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-15.txt > Eyal will exchange thoughts and ideas on what could be released for September and subsequent quarters in the next few days. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-15.txt > Meeting participants will exchange product development and budget bullet points and produce a working plan within a few weeks. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-Studios-Eyal-Gever-Recap-15.txt ### Transcription notes Eyal appears in speaker labels both as "Eyal Gever" and "Eyal's iPhone", and in dialogue as "AL" and "AOL"; "Rodko" appears for Rothko in transcript and recap; Sian appears as "Sean"; Allan's phrase "an AL … engine" refers to Eyal. --- ## Meeting 8 — 2026-06-26 — Foundation & the Core Idea (George & Allan) **Note on attendance:** Eyal is present in this meeting. The Otter speaker labels attribute his spoken biography and manifesto to "George Goldsmith," but the words are Eyal's own ("So, a little bit about myself. Eyal, Israeli." — 43:39). The Recap file also attributes Eyal's projects (Forces, Atmospheres, States, the laughing app, the emotional-AI software written during Corona) to George. **Attendees named in transcript:** George Goldsmith, Rosie Dent, Unidentified Speaker(s); named in dialogue: Rosie, Bob (data scientist and neuroscience lead), Jakob (application developer), Joe (chief financial officer), Dominic, Matt, Laura, Simon, Phil, Sean, Alan, Eyal **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 1:04:36 (transcript begins at 12:46) ### What the Otter recap said (verbatim key sentences from the Recap file) > A planning and creative kickoff to prototype an immersive sanctuary combining spatial audio, empathic sensing, and neuro-informed composition. > • Core team: George, Rosie, Bob, Jakob, Joe (advisor) > • Empathic sensing and real-time responsive visuals proposed — Source: Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Recap-10.txt > George presented recent work: Forces, a series using fluid and particle simulations to render physical expressions of emotion; Atmospheres, an upcoming color-focused series; and a planned States project intended as a live, responsive, two-way artwork that can sense and influence viewer states. — Source: Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Recap-10.txt > George articulated the rationale for "empathic art" as a response to machines' growing ability to sense internal states and to the global prevalence of depression, and he positioned art as an interface for conversation and healing rather than despair. — Source: Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Recap-10.txt ### Key verbatim quotes from the Transcript > So I thought, you know, today is really about, or this whole meeting is coming out of the batcave that Dominic, Matt, and I have been in and Alan to. I think, figure out how do we make this kind of fulfill the vision that we've shared with you in the decks forth of modern sanctuaries for reconnection. And we have all these different capabilities here. Bob, who is our data scientist and neuroscience lead, is in California and he's quite busy. So, and then our application developer, Jakob. Is at a heavy metal festival in Denmark. — George Goldsmith, 14:18, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > And our job is over the next few months to really pull together the team to establish it. There's another person, Joe, who is my kind of personal chief financial officer for things I work on. He's not here, but he'll be another part of the team eventually. — George Goldsmith, 14:18, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > And we've been in early conversations with George and Alan of me potentially joining the team. So I'm here to listen and see how we could potentially work together. — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Laura, strategy lead at frog], 17:45/18:39, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > And then George and I February at a panel because we were both speaking on it. ... And then you started sharing more and more about Boundless. And I met with Alan a couple of times in LA all together. And the conversation just evolved more and more, starting from, I think, origination was about licensing. Some of my existing and now I'm here, so well, but resistance is futile. — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Suvi, cellist], 38:06–38:22, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > So, a little bit about myself. Eyal, Israeli. — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Eyal], 43:39, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > So it took me 10 years. I sold my last company. 10 years. And then, but through those 10 years, I literally created my own proprietary software. I knew the exact aesthetics and what I want to do. And then so I started when I was 40 to be full-time artist, today I'm 55. — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Eyal], 45:08, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > I had this big project actually here in Ibiza for two years. I created An immersive dance floor, one of the clubs here, Club Chinois, where it was surrounded by projectors. For two years, I developed what I call hyperreactive. It's a software I wrote on top of Unreal Engine. For those who don't know, Unreal Engine is like the AAA game engine in the world. — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Eyal], 51:21, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > So I wrote this manifesto and investigating new technologies of how you can track human emotions. — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Eyal], 53:42, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > But the third one is this is where I'm hoping to do it with you guys, is what I call states. And this is going to be a live responsive art. — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Eyal], 57:56/line 182, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > And since our last call. I wrote another software, which I'll show you tomorrow. Remember our conversation about the polars? — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Eyal], line 182, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > And I had an extremely brilliant session with Bob. I was really hoping to meet him face to face here. — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Eyal], line 176, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt > and now we are we finished the the recording of the music so we are almost seven hours I think of of mixed music and an infinite amount of unmixed good material — George Goldsmith [speaker label; words spoken by Matt], line 68, Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Transcript-11.txt ### Claim IDs indexed from this meeting - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-eyal-present-mislabeled-as-george]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-recap-attributes-eyal-work-to-george]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-george-core-team-roles-bob-jakob]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-eyal-two-years-unreal-hyperreactive]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-eyal-states-live-responsive-art]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-eyal-ten-years-proprietary-software]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260626-seven-hours-mixed-music]` ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > George Goldsmith will pull together the team and establish roles, agendas, and timelines over the next few months — Source: Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Recap-10.txt > George Goldsmith will demonstrate the new software he wrote for visualizing polar data tomorrow. — Source: Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Recap-10.txt > George Goldsmith will develop the live responsive "States" artwork in collaboration with the group — Source: Foundation-the-Core-Idea-George-Al_-Recap-10.txt ### Transcription notes Otter attributes almost all speech in this file to "George Goldsmith," including Eyal's biography, Suvi's biography, Matt's audio update, Laura's introduction and Sean's introduction. "Rotco" appears for Rothko; "Bandless"/"Balmus"/"Bundler's"/"Itai"/"Atai" and "Subie" for Suvi appear as transcription variants. --- ## Meeting 9 — 2026-07-16 — VTC: George & Eyal **Attendees named in transcript:** George Goldsmith, Eyal Gever, Unidentified Speaker **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 25:52 ### What the Otter recap said (verbatim key sentences from the Recap file) > Strategic discussion of product UX, integration, launch target, and commercial terms. > • Target public test/launch date October 10 for World Mental Health Day > • Eyal built time-lapse, zoomable timeline, gallery, style themes, marketplace potential > • GitHub repo documented and available for integration > • George proposed equity plus royalty licensing model — Source: VTC_-George-Eyal-Recap-4.txt > George asked how to structure collaboration and recommended moving the asset into Boundless so it can scale as an investable entity; he identified IP components (code, music, chaos engine) and proposed a legalized combination of equity and royalty streams, noting lawyers will be needed to formalize terms. — Source: VTC_-George-Eyal-Recap-4.txt > The participants discussed role definitions and time commitments, with George citing Suvi's 10-hours-per-week consulting model and associated consulting fees plus licensing/royalties for produced music; Eyal outlined his full-time artist constraints, the technical readiness of the app and sanctuary integrations, and requested clarity on whether he would be an advisor or a creative director with specified hours, fees, and vesting. — Source: VTC_-George-Eyal-Recap-4.txt ### Key verbatim quotes from the Transcript > I think what could be good, we have the opportunity to do a presentation with Suvi, so she'll perform, and then be a panel, and then two days later, a boundless experience with Dell Acoustics, maybe either for possibly for up to 700 people and in London. And that would be on World Mental Health Day, which is October 10th. And I think that for me, that seems like a fairly reasonable time to have some testing, some early feedback on the app, but then to launch on World Mental Health Day, Awareness Day. — George Goldsmith, 1:38, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > Yes, I'd love it actually. I think it's beautiful. I think the main thing that we're going to, I think, need to agree is how, well, two things. One is I want to just make sure we understand how we're working together. So that was one of my things of just getting some ideas on the table with you today. His work is beautiful, but I, you know, obviously we need to. Get that organized. — George Goldsmith, 2:42, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > Okay, so they created a full-fledged, full-on documented GitHub with everything he needs to integrate, like every comment, it's all beautifully organized. — Eyal Gever, 12:55, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > Yes. — George Goldsmith, 13:10, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > I saw it. Yeah. — Unidentified Speaker, 13:10, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > So I guess the question for me is how, and we're just have time to start this today, but how do you think, you know, so how do we work together? What's your thought about the structure? Of this, you've done so much and it's so beautiful. And you know, is it equity, equity, royalty? Um, how would you do you have a perspective of what would make this interesting for you, or plus, access all what we've done, right? — George Goldsmith, 13:14, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > And so, look, I think that if we're going to create value inside of Boundless, this will need to be an asset owned by Boundless. So, that would lead to there is a there, there's IP. There's IP on that, there's copyright on the music, there's IP on the chaos engine. So we'd have things that become an investable entity. Otherwise, it's a nice art project, right? — George Goldsmith, 14:32, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > So I think that the best way to do that is to put it into boundless and then work on the structure of equity share or equity and royalties. The way we've structured Dominic, you know, it may be a similar fashion where there's just a royalty stream from sales, you know, so percentage of revenue on sales, so a royalty stream that way in exchange for this kind of license to us or license back. I think we need to get lawyers in, but mostly what I'm thinking is a combination of equity and royalty back so that you benefit from the growth of both the revenues and the Enter enterprise value. — George Goldsmith, 14:32, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > No, but I'm asking you from just what what's your what's your um because there were discussions where and also in the call that the expectation, or I, you know, I should work on the UH, the UI, the art, the so it's not just licensing, it's also an ongoing work. — Eyal Gever, 16:20, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > You know, so Suvi, for example, we're talking to her right now, and we've agreed that she'll spend about 10 hours a week with us, and that that will be focused on doing things like the minotage, which you saw. It'd be focused on some partnerships that she's introducing us to, et cetera. And there's sort of a, okay, this is a 10-hour a week game, a day-a-week plus, right? And for that, there's a consulting fee. And then, if there's music produced that we will have as part of the collective, there will be a licensing or you know, royalty stream, right? — George Goldsmith, 16:47, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > Obviously, I'm a full-time artist. I have a practice. I have a career, but I've been working on it for a long time. I've created this also for this app version. I think something that has value in a very speed, speedy way. So it could be. Be ported and delivered for September, October. — Eyal Gever, 18:26, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > Also for the future sanctuaries, I've worked for two and a half years and created this real-time development on Unreal Engine, you that it can be easily integrated to Muse and what, you know, cameras. So I'm trying to figure out, okay, what is the Am I an advisor or am I going to be in some form of a creative director that I need to spend 12 hours a week? Does it include equity vesting as well as regarding to the license? — Eyal Gever, 18:57, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > Like a real part of the team. But I also found myself, as I was talking with you, also aware that you said you didn't really want to be part of this kind of startup thing again because you're an artist. So that has changed. You know, we can create a portion of a role where you are kind of artistic director, for example. And, that is a role that gives you time and space in your life. So, Dom is creative director and kind of leading all the kind of music division. — George Goldsmith, 20:01, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > But I think the only open question I can put through in text some writings and on the role and monthly fee on the hours and ballpark on vested equity or a vesting plan. As to the license, I had in mind not just the equity plan and revenues share, you know. I thought we can do it on a monthly basis with some kind of an upfront. If it's an upfront, then I can pay from the first payment to Lise and Vide their share, and that's it. I don't need to drag them for the rest of the relationship. — Eyal Gever, 21:18, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > I don't have the ballpark. But this is sort of what I was thinking: not just revenue share and equity, because I don't know if it's going to be alive in a year from now. — Eyal Gever, 22:13, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > Yeah. And I'm doing a lot, a lot of the work already. What, what are, what's your, it's your deal, obviously, with Liz and Variety, it's not mine, but what, what kind of, how are they thinking about it or how haven't spoken to them at all. — George Goldsmith, 22:24, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > They get a 30% commission on a project that I do or a sale. ... You know, I think, let's say, if it's a 40, 50K and they get their 30%, I think it's it's a it's a beautiful finders fee. — Eyal Gever, 22:39, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > Yep, yeah, exactly. Cool. So why don't you think about that? I have to go talk to a physical sanctuary place now in Saudi that wants to do this through Clinic Le Prairie. But if you could put some thoughts to that, I'm going to Africa with Sierra and I plan to be offline until the 29th. — George Goldsmith, 23:41, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > And I've been. For two and a half years intuitively working on what I really believe in this, you extreme present, art really must be empathic and feel. It's something I want to create. And I think the partnership here could be really mutually beneficial. And I'm passionate to do some amazing things, especially in the sanctuaries. But also in the app. I have years and years of experience in user, you know, in UI and UX, and I've been there 30 years. — Eyal Gever, 24:27, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt > Um, put it on paper, but know that I won't look at it until I'm back. — George Goldsmith, 25:25, VTC_-George-Eyal-Transcript-3.txt ### Claim IDs indexed from this meeting - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-asset-owned-by-boundless]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-otherwise-nice-art-project]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-equity-plus-royalty-lawyers]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-oct-10-launch-world-mental-health-day]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-work-is-beautiful]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-eyal-documented-github-ready-to-integrate]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-suvi-10-hours-consulting-fee-benchmark]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-artistic-director-role-offer]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-eyal-two-and-a-half-years-unreal-real-time]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-eyal-advisor-or-creative-director-question]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-eyal-upfront-plus-monthly-license-ask]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-eyal-finders-fee-30-percent-40-50k]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-saudi-sanctuary-clinic-le-prairie]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260716-george-put-it-on-paper-wont-look-until-back]` ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > Eyal will draft written proposals that define his role, monthly fee, weekly hours, and a vesting plan and send them in the next few days. — Source: VTC_-George-Eyal-Recap-4.txt > Eyal will notify Liz and Variety when deal terms are solidified so they can receive their finder's fee. — Source: VTC_-George-Eyal-Recap-4.txt > George will pursue the conversation with the physical sanctuary in Saudi Arabia through Clinique La Prairie. — Source: VTC_-George-Eyal-Recap-4.txt > Eyal will put his thoughts on paper while George is away so George can review them after he returns. — Source: VTC_-George-Eyal-Recap-4.txt ### Transcription notes "Bitesman Institute" appears for the Weizmann Institute; "Read" and "Rotko" appear for Radio France and Rothko in Eyal's description of his styles ("one that is homage to Read, and one is Homage to Rotko"); "Yakov" appears for Jacob; "Lise and Vide" / "Liz and Variety" appear for the same two finders; "Ellen" appears for Allan; "Dell Acoustics" appears for L-Acoustics; "Clinic Le Prairie" appears for Clinique La Prairie. --- ## Meeting 10 — 2026-08-06 — VTC: Boundless app development **Attendees named in transcript:** George Goldsmith, Allan Malievsky, Bob Dougherty, Jacob Fandel, suuvi, Laura, Eyal's iPhone [Eyal, joined at 18:21], Unidentified Speaker **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 57:32 ### What the Otter recap said (verbatim key sentences from the Recap file) > A product and engineering alignment meeting on EEG processing, music delivery, pricing, and testing strategy. > • Muse integration completed with simulator; devices to be distributed for testing — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-1-12.txt > Eyal described integrating Bob's code into the web app and building a development-only wizard that captures six 45-second listening chunks to standardize data collection and developer understanding. He also created a lay-language log and documentation with screenshots and questions for the team to review. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-1-12.txt > The team debated decision-making approach and resolved Allan and George will serve as the unitary decision voice for launch scope while asking participants to still contribute comments. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-1-12.txt ### Key verbatim quotes from the Transcript > Sorry, is this AL's web demo? I think so. — Bob Dougherty, 2:18, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > Yeah. So the web, that's already done. — Allan Malievsky, 2:24, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > So that's fully integrated. Got it. Yeah. And then the cool. — Bob Dougherty, 2:26, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > Yeah, and there are three work streams work starting to and emerging forth that we're all merging right now in this. So there's the existing app work that you and Jacob and Bob have done. There's a second stream coming in from Eyal. There's a third stream from Sian around some of the look and feel. And then there's a fourth stream around the business model that kind of goes through this. — George Goldsmith, 14:43, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > And I think we really need to lock down on the launch model by next week. — George Goldsmith, 14:43, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > What I'd like to do is suggest that Allan and I take that on as a unitary voice for now. — George Goldsmith, 16:19, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > Yeah, I send it to all of you. You. So, this week for me was mainly the Muse integration. On Sunday, I received from Bob through GitHub the piece of code that I integrated the web app that you guys have seen or will see and integrated the Muse, which works. — Eyal's iPhone, 23:36, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > And in the document, I'm sharing my thoughts and I'm actually sharing screenshots of a wizard that I've created. The wizard is currently, and it's only for the development stage. It's not for the users, right? — Eyal's iPhone, 25:12, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > That's amazing. And I guess the could I just ask a simple question? Who does not have a Muse on the call right now? — George Goldsmith, 27:42, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > By the way, one more thing I want to share. So I wanted to tackle this issue. For people who don't have Muse in the process of development. And I've created a simulation mode of Muse without Muse. And here I gave six journeys. — Eyal's iPhone, 28:25, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > So I guess another piece of work for all of us over the between now and next week is to dig into what EILS created. — George Goldsmith, 29:52, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > Yeah, before you joined IL, we were just talking a little bit about how we should look into, well, we want to process all the data on the app itself. So, how we can integrate the C into the app itself. — Jacob Fandel, 31:52, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > I'm sure some other users, developers have asked that. But also, if I can put my side of the visual. The empathic arts, because those are shaders rendering in real time. So as Bob said, needs to be tested on lower end. However, definitely the system knows how to reduce the frame rate and the resolution to lower screens. Shaders is the lightest graphical animation capability. So there shouldn't be any problem. — Eyal's iPhone, 33:22, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > So, I just want to reiterate again that I appreciate that we're going to not market this as science. It's our I want to caution us in putting real emotion words in front of people. Because if they're wrong, it's an immediate turn off and they will be wrong often. The EEG is just not a reliable way of measuring emotion. The most reliable way is to ask people how they feel. — Bob Dougherty, 34:12, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > I'll stop now. Again, somebody, George, and Allan, will make this decision. I voice my opinion. — Bob Dougherty, 40:20, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > so why don't you and Bob think about that and then figure out what the kind of best strategy is with an a goal to be able to show something to people at apple by the third week by two and a half weeks from now if that's possible if it isn't possible it is impossible yeah there's always test flight — George Goldsmith, 22:45, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > So, for example, what I'm trying to do is get a meeting with Apple. By the end of the month while I'm out here in California, and Ola and I are kind of back and forth on that. And his request was to be able to show something to Apple Music or Apple Health, rather, in addition to him. — George Goldsmith, 21:40, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > There's a one thing to your comment here. It would be great if when you think about the path and also like how does IL's art fit into this flow? Like, what's the outcome? Like, exactly, how do we envision it in the flow? That would make it. Where does it appear? — Jacob Fandel, 49:05, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > So I see in the talk, we set the price for $4.99 there. — Jacob Fandel, 50:00, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > I think the second use case will be actually France because we are in discussions with Radio France on the 28th about having a citizen science project, and this be part of it on Radio France internet site and Radio France app. — George Goldsmith, 53:14, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt > Also, in that regard, I cannot log in to get the document you send. Allan, I'm not a big Microsoft user. — Eyal's iPhone, 48:29, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-1-13.txt ### Claim IDs indexed from this meeting - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-team-confirms-eyal-web-demo-fully-integrated]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-eyal-integrated-bobs-code-muse-works]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-eyal-built-dev-wizard-and-log]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-eyal-built-muse-simulation-six-journeys]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-george-four-work-streams-eyal-second-stream]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-george-allan-unitary-decision-voice]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-bob-eeg-unreliable-for-emotion]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-apple-demo-two-and-a-half-weeks-goal]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-pricing-499-and-no-free-trial]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-radio-france-citizen-science-28th]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260806-jacob-asks-where-eyals-art-fits-in-flow]` ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > Bob Dougherty will perform a deeper review of Eyal's document and the entropy/algorithm implementation. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-1-12.txt > Meeting participants will open Eyal's PDF, review the wizard and logs, and send feedback to the group in the next few days. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-1-12.txt > Allan Malievsky and George Goldsmith will act as the arbiters to finalize which features are included at launch versus post-launch. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-1-12.txt > Bob Dougherty and Jacob Fandel will decide the submission strategy for App Store review versus TestFlight with a goal of presenting a build to Apple within approximately two to three weeks if possible. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-1-12.txt > Eyal will try to implement George's suggested check-in approach within the next few days — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-1-12.txt ### Transcription notes Eyal appears in speaker labels as "Eyal's iPhone" and in dialogue as "AL", "IL", "EILS", "Ale" and "Bale"; Jacob Fandel appears as "Yakub", "Yaku", "Yako", "Japan" and "John"; Allan appears as "Ellen". --- ## Meeting 11 — 2026-08-13 — VTC: Boundless app development **Attendees named in transcript:** George Goldsmith, Allan [Malievsky], Jacob Fandel, Bob Dougherty, Sian, Laura, suuvi, Unidentified Speaker **Eyal is not in this meeting.** George states at 3:06: "Eyal is on a boat in Mallorca." **Duration (approx from timestamps):** 59:40 ### What the Otter recap said (verbatim key sentences from the Recap file) > The team aligned on Boundless's initial app experience, launch planning, and campaign direction. > • Simplified artwork flow approved for first iteration > • EEG shapes image transformation; check-ins shape colors — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-7.txt > George proposed replacing the concept of an artwork journey through multiple mood quadrants with a single selected image modified by EEG-informed effects and a check-in/check-out color palette. Bob supported the change, citing concerns that representing an emotional path could create an unsatisfying user experience. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-7.txt > They agreed that the simplified approach should be the first iteration and that richer experiences could be explored later using captured data and user feedback. George stated that the decision needed to be communicated to Eyal promptly. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-7.txt ### Key verbatim quotes from the Transcript > Welcome back. Eyal is on a boat in Mallorca. I hope we're not in Mallorca, off Mallorca. — George Goldsmith, 3:06, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > I think this is a really important point you just made, Jaka, because um, I think we're still not locked in on what is the art that's being generated. Uh, that's some of my comments on the um user doc. And so I think this is going to be really important with AL. And we're working with AL to finalize kind of the business relationship between AIL and TAP. Sorry, Boundless, too many companies. — George Goldsmith, 7:37, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > Okay, cool. So, I mean, it sounds like, I don't think Laura is on, but it sounds like we are still on track for the third week of August to show them something, right? — Allan, 9:54, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > It'll depend on AIL. — Unidentified Speaker, 10:04, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > If we were going with IL's solution. — Jacob Fandel, 10:26, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > Yeah, I just don't see the point in putting in the F if it's not the final art we're going with. — Bob Dougherty, 10:38, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > And so the art part, I don't think, is worth porting to the device. One, it's not trivial because it's a Python package. ... But two, it's, you know, if that's not what, you know, if we're pretty well decided, we're going to go with AL's part, then I don't see the point. — Bob Dougherty, 11:18, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > Yeah, that's that's true. The C module outputs the same numbers that his web app is getting from the web Bluetooth. Muse. So, I mean, there's a little bit of code to wire to connect the plumbing, but it's ready to go. — Bob Dougherty, 12:38, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > Could we have a conversation about that for a couple minutes, Allan, without AL and then use that way to inform AL? I'm talking to him tomorrow, it appears. — George Goldsmith, 24:40, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > And the piece of art, in my mind, is not this journey through different mood states, which we don't have any way of actually doing, but the piece of art is the image that they chose that is modified through a combination of signal and the color palette is determined by the start and the end that they chose in the intro and out check. — George Goldsmith, 24:53, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > Okay. So we have a second. Is there any opposition to this decision and conversation I need to have with Eyal? — George Goldsmith, 27:49, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > But I don't know if how Eyal will feel about giving up this journey through emotions. The way I will handle it with him is that's downstream when we have more evidence of how we would do that and what level of granularity we might use. — George Goldsmith, 30:07, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > But again, this is, I think this is why we need to have Eyal on a call, but I think I need to prepare him because he's really attached to what he's done. — George Goldsmith, 33:32, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > And there's nothing stopping him. He already has the EEG processing. Logic. There's nothing stopping him from creating his own art in some other context that does that. — Bob Dougherty, 34:52, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > Decision taken. My job is to communicate it. — George Goldsmith, 40:10, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > But I think that I'd rather have us select it for people and have it be a surprise back to like almost like it's a visual dissonance. — George Goldsmith, 38:11, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > I think the gallery is useful from AL's perspective of how many things are there and like the beauty of what he's created. — George Goldsmith, 38:11, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > Oh, I see. Okay. Yeah. Because I'd like what. I really like what Eyal has done around the openness and compression. — George Goldsmith, 44:19, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > If it's different, it morphs from one quadrant or one place to another based on Eyal's color palette, based on his research summaries, right? — George Goldsmith, 33:32, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > But I think the calibration wizard with these tasks that Eyal was suggesting, and I guess. Yes, tasks, no tasks. I think it creates a little bit of a burden, and we're creating art, not EEG data for scientific purposes necessarily. — George Goldsmith, 47:48, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > I wonder if what we might do is. When you're comfortable with it, Sian, and you know, definitely obviously send it around to the group. If the group has ideas, I think the next step would be to just send to AL for a quick review for his editions, right? Whatever he might, cool stuff he might do to the code. — Allan, 53:51, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > Well, the actual main hero. Image is actually a video, it's not built out of code. So, we were do a load of different code elements, but it just made the site way too slow. It was too hard to resize on mobile. And at least with this one, you know, when we do send it to Eyal, if he prefers to basically create it himself, I did ask AI to like, take inspiration from Eyal's previous work in order to make it. — Sian, 54:18, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > And what I'm trying to do is to see if it's possible to play what we're doing at the Apple Studio. In the Dolby Atmos. ... The meeting is on the 26th of August in LA at the LA Apple Studio. — George Goldsmith, 4:46, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > So it goes through, so you don't get the error anymore. So you can pick either monthly or 499 or yearly 49 if we want to keep it or not. — Jacob Fandel, 14:36, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt > And Sian has been working on some nice landing page visuals for us. — Allan, 51:17, VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Transcript-2.txt ### Claim IDs indexed from this meeting - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-eyal-absent-boat-mallorca]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-conversation-without-al-then-inform-al]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-decision-taken-my-job-to-communicate]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-need-to-prepare-him-attached-to-what-hes-done]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-simplified-artwork-drops-mood-journey]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-bob-c-module-ready-to-go-with-eyals-web-app]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-bob-going-with-als-art-not-porting-chaos-engine]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-timeline-depends-on-ail]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-george-finalizing-business-relationship-with-ail]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-sian-used-ai-inspired-by-eyals-previous-work]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-apple-studio-la-august-26]` - `[TRANSCRIPT-20260813-pricing-499-monthly-49-yearly]` ### Notable action items from Recap (verbatim) > George Goldsmith and the team will define the art-generation discussion points before George's conversation with AIL — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-7.txt > George Goldsmith will communicate the simplified artwork decision and its implications to Eyal. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-7.txt > George Goldsmith and Eyal will resolve how the artwork engine should implement the time-lapse or evolving visual output. — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-7.txt > Sian will send the landing page to Eyal for review and feedback — Source: VTC_-Boundless-app-development-Recap-7.txt ### Transcription notes Eyal appears as "AL", "AIL", "IL" and "Bale"; Jacob appears as "Jaka"; Allan appears as "Ellen"; "TAP" appears where George corrects himself to "Boundless"; Sian appears in one line as "CNN".